Another deconversion story. Dylan from Princeton, NJ was raised as a Roman Catholic, then became a theistic satanist and recently became an atheist. Segment of The Atheist Experience #627 of October 18, 2009, withMatt Dillahunty and Don Baker. Topic: The Bible vs. Pro-Life. This entire episode can be watched on Blip.tv: ► blip.tv (Note: the WMV file on Blip.tv appears to be damaged. Play or download the FLV version instead.) What is The Atheist Experience? The Atheist Experience is a weekly cable access television show in Austin, Texas, geared at an atheist and non-atheist audience. The Atheist Experience is produced by the Atheist Community of Austin (ACA), a nonprofit educational corporation to develop and support the atheist community, to provide opportunities for socializing and friendship, to promote secular viewpoints, to encourage positive atheist culture, to defend the first amendment principle of state-church separation, to oppose discrimination against atheists and to work with other organizations in pursuit of common goals. ► www.Atheist-Experience.com ► http ► www.NonProphetsRadio.com Watch The Atheist Experience live (Sundays) ► tinyurl.com Support the ACA (donations/membership): ► www.Atheist-Community.org ► www.Atheist-Community.org ► Blog: AtheistExperience.blogspot.com ► Wiki www.IronChariots.org ► DVDs atheist-community.org ► Cartoons: Atheist-Community.org ► E-mail: tv@atheist-community.org
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Most of the Satanists I’ve met, theistic or atheistic, have been really intelligent people.
A satanist? Give me a break.
By the way, you two debaters below me make me wanna vomit with your politeness.
@Acorafication
Exactly. For us the sense stimuli are something created. In the Spanish we have wonderful word ‘naturaleza’ that indicates although some thing is a creation, there’s always an unknown goodness that was not created but rather is the reflection and/or imprint of the author of that work. Let us view the works of two great artists, a Baroque and an Impressionist. Paintings of Caravaggio employ chiaroscuro whereas Cézanne uses planes of colour. Both are equally dignified.
@ammazzamoro That is an excellent way of putting it, though it doesn’t portray the other side of dialog, the more argumentative version. In that, it seems more like a battle then a greeting.
While I agree, I have to point out that there are naturalistic reasons for the supposedly intangible material. Feelings are just chemical reactions occurring in our brain. Smells are merely our brain interpreting stimuli. There is nothing intangible that exists that doesn’t have a natural explanation.
@Acorafication
You welcome. I like to follow the advice of man of wisdom: Francis Arinze. He says that dialogue is meeting with someone, exchanging greetings and gifts, and recognizing another as worthy of our love.
Perhaps the issue some have is the idea of the transcendent; that which is beyond the material realm. The philosopher recognizes that there is concrete material and intangible material. Concrete would be say a tree or a cloud, etc. Intangible would be feelings or smells, etc.
@ammazzamoro Thank you. If anything, this conversation will at least be thought provoking and cordial for both of us.
But yes, it’s obvious that the definition of atheist is where the disagreement lies. As I have said, my only qualifier for atheist is a disbelief in a god or gods. However, as with my personal belief, I would accept that a god exists if one were to be concretely proven. I would not necessarily worship this being, however, until he justified his lack of action on earth.
@Acorafication
Excellent response. Thank you for your civility. I suppose we may be getting crossed on the word ‘Athiest’. Generally speaking, we view an Athiest as someone absolutely and beyond a doubt an irrefutable opponent to the concept of a Transcendent Being. I actually find your response quite invigorating. I had been thinking about your words for a respectable portion of the mid-morning siesta. I see that you believe Experience, and perhaps Knowledge, and/or Wisdom to exist.
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@ammazzamoro I wouldn’t classify myself that way, simply because while it may be impossible to know most things to an utmost certainty, you can know what you know. That sounds a bit strange, but it might explain it if I said that I DO know that I don’t know for a fact if there is a god or not. However, I do not believe in any gods, which classifies me as atheist, according to the definition of one that does not believe in god or gods.
@Acorafication
Yes you are an Agnostic, but put more correctly it appears that you fall into the school of Total Agnosticism; that is, there is no First Principle. It is also known as Self-Refuting Agnosticism; a system that denies even the formula of Arcesilaos: “I do not know; even that I do not know.” It is a construct subversive to the idea of reason stating the impossibility of knowing.
Thankfully, human beings are not mathematically machinery. We do not fit well into categories.
@ammazzamoro No, agnosticism and atheism are completely compatible. Atheism and theism deals with what you believe. I believe there is no god. Agnosticism and gnosticism deal with what you know. I do not know for a fact that their is or is not a god, so I’m agnostic. However, since I don’t believe in any gods, I’m also an atheist. Atheists do not make a ‘gamble’ as you put it, and don’t go through intellectual despair. We simply don’t believe in invisible magical sky daddies.
Now, we can address what is perceived as an admixture of Atheism and Agnosticism. There is a type called Recent Agnosticism where solemnly suspended judgement becomes outright indifference, first as theos being inscrutable and then followed by outright disbelief rather than attempting to make an honest judgement. It is often manifested as hostility and a plea of insufficient evidence.
@Acorafication
Agnosticism and Atheism are incompatible. Where Atheism is a conclusion of thought privative of theos, Agnosticism is privative of knowing. To be formally an Atheist one typically passes through Agnosticism whether or not the a priori are philsophically valid or invalid. Usually Atheism is reached through a principle of intellectual despair that states: I might not know it all but I probably know enough to make a gamble. Agnosticism is questioning and by nature non-static.
@ammazzamoro You realize that you can be atheist and agnostic at the same time, right? That’s what Matt (The bald man) classifies himself as, and it’s what many atheists classify themselves as.
You also realize that claiming that becoming an atheist causes you to become devoid of a soul is a foolish claim, because the soul has never been proven to exist in the first place, right? Further, atheism doesn’t ‘crush your spirit’. It merely opens your eyes.
@derek24hudson
The spirit is our first memory and our last like a gentle wind. Ages ago, a sweet breath tenderly cast the moment when we were most unseen, it spoke our name. A familiar voice in the early morning before the Sun a first flash is made beyond the horizon. In a fog we wander and seek. Some are lost in the whitewash of a midnight blizzard; still others in the red sands of a storm. As the spirit goes out we pass in streak extending to the sky over a vast sea of unknowning.
@ammazzamoro
Whar’s a human spirit? What’s a soul? Where can I get one?
Your words are undoubtedly english, but together I can’t perceive any meaning.
The meaning must be very profound. if not a little mystical.
The bald man is an Athiest per se. He speaks more along the lines of Thomas Aquinas; that is, an Agnostic philosophical approach. Here, I am thinking of the idea of sense perception. Also, worthy to note is his acquiescence to a thought outside of the World. The direction of anger is a certain indicator of agnosticism and not of athiesm. It shows there is some human spirit acting within him. That is, his soul has not been totally crushed. His acknowledged smallness is also laudible.
my response to Pascal’s Wager:
What if god created religion to weed out the smart and brave people from the rest? Maybe heaven is the reward for the people willing to ask dangerous questions…
@GODSGRL27 Hey, bet you’ll -really- be enjoying your ‘eternal life’ at your funeral, won’t you?
“satanism” according to the satanist bible is atheistic. they are naturalist. but its still a stupid philosophy based on flawed premises.
@antonyhamill true satanists are theists by definition.
@antonyhamill classic!!!
I can see how and why someone raised Roman Catholic would become a theistic Satanist.
@eartina
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@JazzyJonas indeed….i’m 23 i’ve been an atheists 4 fyears strong now….no more confusion, no more delusion….I feel more and more liberated everyday especially now that i i;ve admitted to my parents that i;m atheists and they still accept me and treat me no different than before
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